40sedoretu | First Sedoretu Ship?

I don't have a specific ship that I ship only as a sedoretu, but I love adding sedoretu dynamics to all manner of canons! My current fic writing projects include a sedoretu-AU take on Avatar: The Last Airbender with the ship being Sokka/Suki/Zuko/Mai.

I usually don't imagine my sedoretu ships on the planet O since I like the challenge of mashing the sedoretu dynamics with the characters' canon world.

Would love to hear what other people get up to with their sedoretu ships!

Sounds very fun! I personally wanna do an Homestuck AU with the sedoretu. It's not really what you're doing, since it's very much an AU world, but I think it'd be fun to try & worldbuild something with humans & trolls existing on the same planet considering how diffrent they're romance systems are! Though I am personally semi-waiting till I've reread Homestuck.

I think sedoretu is a logical outcome of troll romance mashing with human romance. It'd be fun to read.

I agree with

ysabetwordsmith, that's a super interesting AU to work on! Trolls and humans living together sure would make romance and marriage Complex - sedoretus seem one of many outcomes of that mix that'd make perfect sense 😊 Happy writing!

Most of the versions that I like best are AU with sedoretu dynamics overlain on some other canon and cast of characters. It's interesting to see the interpretations of morning/evening and proposed quads.

Agreed! Figuring out a way to signal "this is a morning/evening"-person, that's compatible with that canon you're working with is a super fun, and very interesting to read 💖

Definitely keep an eye out for canon clues as to whether someone is a morning person or a night owl.

Great idea! I must admit it's been a looong time since I read the source material, but even if it's not word-for-word stated there that one's moiety is linked to one's preferred circadian rhythm, it still makes perfect sense as a "tell". I think I remember you're supposed to inherit your moeity from the parent who gave birth to you, but there's got to be some way for people to "assign" moeity to humans from outside their society and to figure out the moiety of people who've lost their biological family young and who have no memory of them. Will keep this in mind for all my future AU headcanons 😊

>> Great idea! I must admit it's been a looong time since I read the source material, but even if it's not word-for-word stated there that one's moiety is linked to one's preferred circadian rhythm, it still makes perfect sense as a "tell". <<

I was thinking of it more as a way to decide who goes in which moeity for AU purposes.

>> I think I remember you're supposed to inherit your moeity from the parent who gave birth to you, but there's got to be some way for people to "assign" moeity to humans from outside their society and to figure out the moiety of people who've lost their biological family young and who have no memory of them. <<

With orphans, I would expect them to be fostered with a mother of the same moiety as their birthmother, to avoid complications of identity.

>> Will keep this in mind for all my future AU headcanons 😊 <<

Yay! I'm happy I could help.

Oh yeah, no worries, I understand you weren't arguing for this being how moeity works in canon - I just thought it was a neat idea to keep in mind for my own headcanons of how moeity works 😊

Kinda like how gender here in our world is assumed to be something you can "tell" based on looking at someone, I imagine worlds where moeity is a social thing would also develop such assumptions - not the same assumptions everywhere, just like the color pink isn't always "girl coded" in our world, but similar things for rare occasions as when you find a baby abandoned in the woods or such, or when you run into a stranger and do a subconscious categorization of them.

I definitely think people would try to match children who'd lost their birth parent with another parent of the same moeity - like you said, I think people would assume that to be less confusing for the kid in question.

>> Kinda like how gender here in our world is assumed to be something you can "tell" based on looking at someone, <<

Well, most of the time you can, even in modern America. Many other societies are a lot more consistent about signaling with everything from names to clothes to social roles. But not all of them use a binary system. Some have five or six different options -- and often, those have their own markers. Reason being, humans generally prefer to be clear about this stuff because they feel embarrassed by having to ask about it. People who like genderfuck to the point of genuinely confusing their presentation in the eyes of others are very rare.

What we see now in America is uncommon. No language has an infinite number of pronoun sets -- it's rare to have more than 3 -- and that's not going to last once English falls out of its high-change mode in a few decades. People will get unhappy with the rest of the hyperflexion and sort out a system that works for whoever sets it up. It'll settle down eventually the way it has in other societies.

>> I imagine worlds where moeity is a social thing would also develop such assumptions - not the same assumptions everywhere, just like the color pink isn't always "girl coded" in our world, but similar things for rare occasions as when you find a baby abandoned in the woods or such, or when you run into a stranger and do a subconscious categorization of them.<<

That's what I would expect. There would be norms and stereotypes. There would be rebels and exceptions. Humans are really attached to patterns. They like knowing where other people fit into society, and they really want ways to tell that quickly. Sometimes it goes a bit too far. Hence things like sumptuary laws or making it illegal to cross-dress.

So in writing sedoretu crossovers, all that becomes story fodder. I'd look at characters who are already bucking the system and translate them as being a night-person Morning or someone with a blasphemy orientation or preferring to cross-dress in the other moiety's colors.

>>I definitely think people would try to match children who'd lost their birth parent with another parent of the same moeity - like you said, I think people would assume that to be less confusing for the kid in question.<<

I think the main exception would be the one built into the system that they can't avoid: when one parent dies, the other three have to raise the kids, and if they don't marry in a new spouse of the matching moeity (which is very hard to do smoothly) then it's going to leave a gap that some kids will struggle with. But that's better than them having only one parent or no parent, as when half a couple or a single parent dies here.

I've never lived in America, so I'm very out of the loop with how gender and gender presentation is like over there in everyday life (especially since it's such a huge place with so much people). I'm going off my own experiences here in Sweden, where gender confusion happens every now and then, especially with pre-teen children.

Yeah, children in sedoretu culture are lucky in the sense that its much "harder" for them to become full orphaned. And a sedoretu couple finding a new fourth is likely not done quickly or easily. Finding a new spouse and co-parent is tricky enough when there's just one person's tastes and preferences to go after, much less when three people need to agree on a fourth one to bring in (speaking from some experience there, to I'm thankfully not a window in any sense of the word).

>> I've never lived in America, so I'm very out of the loop with how gender and gender presentation is like over there in everyday life (especially since it's such a huge place with so much people). <<

Yeah, it's kind of a mishmash, and there are a lot of different styles. Southern women are still more inclined to wear skirts or dresses, and so on.

>> I'm going off my own experiences here in Sweden, where gender confusion happens every now and then, especially with pre-teen children.<<

It happens here too sometimes. Most people find that kind of awkward.

>> Yeah, children in sedoretu culture are lucky in the sense that its much "harder" for them to become full orphaned. <<

True. It's why so many historic societies allowed for plural marriages of various types.

>> And a sedoretu couple finding a new fourth is likely not done quickly or easily. Finding a new spouse and co-parent is tricky enough when there's just one person's tastes and preferences to go after, much less when three people need to agree on a fourth one to bring in (speaking from some experience there, to I'm thankfully not a window in any sense of the word).<<

It is harder to match, especially since you need not just a specific gender but a specific moiety, and then compatibility with 3 other partners. Then add the fact that singles of mature age would be hard to find, unless you lose one partner very early and can search unmarried people.

Not sedoretu proper, but one of the earliest "square" type relationships I remember is the Sharamudoi from Earth's Children. Each Shamudoi couple has a cross-couple among the Ramudoi, and they live together as one hearth for part of the year. I always figured that as a poly relationship, even though the author never went into much detail about the pairings. I think the sedoretu framework would work very well with that. This was way before I encountered sedoretu proper.

Another interesting version appears in The Neanderthal Parallax. Each Neanderthal has a man-mate and a woman-mate. The sexes live separately most of the time, meaning the homosexual relationship gets about 3/4 of the time; and "when Two become One" they switch to their opposite-sex mate. So while most people would just have an endless sprawl of connections, it would be possible to build a sedoretu-like relationship with overlapping homosexual and heterosexual relationships. I discovered this after sedoretu, and admired the parallels.

I like foursquares a lot, whether sedoretu proper or just something similar.

Oooohh~ I'm kinda intressted now in Earth's Children! What's it about?

Also it's very fun to Know that something is going on, & then figuering out the vocabulary for it.

>> Oooohh~ I'm kinda intressted now in Earth's Children! What's it about? <<

Earth's Children is a series of prehistoric fiction, and basically launched that genre. I am the one person who skipped the pr0n to pore over the pages of Ice Age flora and fauna. So when I got my hands on The Tale of Tal, I could recognize a goodly number of things in the pictures! \o/

The Sharamudoi appear (briefly) in the second book, The Valley of Horses. You can probably find a copy at your local library or used book store.

>> Also it's very fun to Know that something is going on, & then figuering out the vocabulary for it.<<

I agree. "Oh! There's a word for that!" is such an exciting moment. :D

One of the favorite comments that I get on my writing is when someone says they found their orientation or other identity described in it, and never knew there was a word for it before.

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